My tax dollars fund torcher and I don't know what to do about it. I feel outraged. I feel betrayed. I feel angry and helpless. Is all of America sedated? Why aren't we protesting in the streets? Why aren't we doing something? Where is the outrage? Daily life isn't very different today than it was before. In America we live, go to work, eat, play, pay taxes, occaisionally vote, joke about the veep shooting someone, and worry quietly about the future. It feels like we are plummeting into a fiery hell of our own making and nobody really notices. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to think or feel. I feel numb.
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Abu Ghraib cannot be allowed to fade away like some half-forgotten domestic political controversy, which may have prompted newsmagazine covers at the time, but now seems as irrelevant as the 2002 elections. Abu Ghraib is not an issue of partisan sound bites or refighting the decision to invade Iraq. Grotesque violations of every value that America proclaims occurred within the walls of that prison. These abuses were carried out by soldiers who wore our flag on their uniforms and apparently believed that Americans here at home would approve of their conduct. Rather than hiding what they did out of shame, they commemorated their sadism with a visual record.
That is why Salon is willing to publish these troubling photographs, even as we are ashamed to live in a country that somehow came to accept that torture and prisoner abuse were simply business as usual -- something that occurs while a sergeant catches up on his paperwork."
Some of the letters in response to Salon's decision to show these pictures:
Abu Ghraib Photos
These photos don't move me at all especially after seeing Iraqi terrorists behead innocent people. This is a war and no matter what anyone says or thinks, there are no rules to be followed. It is sad but true, men and women at war are no more than animals (on either side). I don't approve of thier tactics on any side of the situation but I will support my side right or wrong when survival is the issue. Like in the 60's question: What if we had a war and no one showed up? It's all about oil and money, power, control or land, and everyone knows this - it is not about human rights, welfare, or fair play. It has always been this way and always will be this way. It is human nature. To think otherwise or think we as humans can rise above our nature is to defy history. I really don't see the point of your article at all. Perhaps you should have put the overall cost to produce this into some other humanitarin effort that is bound to fail.
-- Joe Duke
PermalinkThursday, February 16, 2006 8:55:40 AM
Note: Salon did not post the Danish cartoons but they did post some of the Abu Ghraib photosWe do have a right to know what is done in our name
Walter,
You are to be congratulated for publishing the photos. You do so at the risk of strife, anxiety, and offending the Muslim world.
But I have noticed that your sources find only pictures that degrade the Muslims and our troops. You really need to take the blinders off and find the thousands of positive photos that are out there. I and millions of other people the world over have seen them in the internet, print and television. So, how is it that you folks miss them?
Since you are the paragon of journalistic virtue, you may want to publish some photos of the positive things happening in Iraq. Remember, we do have a right to see what is being done in our name. You,of course, would not want to be thought of as censoring the news out of your publication. That would be so Republican ( and Democrat)of you.....
Since you've already offended the Muslims with the photos, publish the Danish cartoons. We need to see them too.....unless you are afraid of that pesky fatwa thing.
-- Gigelorum
PermalinkThursday, February 16, 2006 9:19:55 AM
The Daunting Task of Accountability
I am saddened and horrified by the torture you document. I am even more saddened that some do not call it torture. They echo Gonzalas's wording in his infamous memo which implied: inflict any kind of pain, humiliation, deprivation, even rape -- as long as it doesn't leave a mark, it is not torture. Of course, this is ludicrous. It is also an important point.
We define torture by "what doesn't leave a mark." In other words, torture is not defined by the effect it has on its victims (which in these cases is obviously horrific) but by the evidence it leaves.
We, simply, do not want evidence. We do not want to "see" it: if no marks exist, it never happened.
You have done a dangerous and brave service: you have shown us the scars. Now they exist. And any who would not see them now (who think this is something he/she would "pay for in Las Vegas") defines some aspect of our culture (American, human) that we should be wary of: it is a part of us, the secret wish of sadism.
People say you are Anti-American for posting these photos. These photos will, they insist, insight violence. Hmm. . . Disturbing. This suggests a prejudice against Muslims: "They can't handle the truth." "They are irrational." (More irrational than we are? How? Please compare the riots over the cartoons to the incredible suffering we cause daily in the mere cause of our economy.)
More disturbing, such people suggest that we cannot and should not be accountable for our actions -- the actions of our government (not mere soldiers). We tortured these men. We killed many. We should be accountable.The question then becomes: How do we save our soldiers? How do we protect them? Certainly not by denying the truth that Muslims have known anyway. Accountability is part of that answer, and then more -- but the question is, you see, a different one.
I do have a lingering fear about these photos, however, and that is that I think that (this is horrible to say) many of us secretly want to see this. We are terrified of this new kind of war we find ourselves in; terrified of Muslims. We don't feel dialogue of any kind is possible with these "lower-than" others (and, therefore, we feel free not to be accountable or engage in dialogue.) And we enjoy seeing this "other" in these repulsive positions. That sadistic genie is released, and I am frightened of it.
And I am cynical enough to wonder if this wasn't part of the rational behind this brand of torture (photographed as it was) to begin with. Justify a war by creating a war. Incite anger and even terrorism to justify invasion and more costly (if more acceptable) violence. I do not mean to justify terrorism here -- I am trying to understand a process. A machinery is in action; I want to understant it.Thank you for your documentation of the scars we have left. I hope we are up to the daunting task of accountability.
-- Laura Seltz
We are on autopilot, and we have already entered the storm. It is time to wake up.-- rob
PermalinkThursday, February 16, 2006 9:49:58 AM
There are no rules in war? The enemy has done bad things too? Didn’t they behead people on camera? These are not excuses and do not justify or condone abuse of detainees in American custody. Terror is not justifiable in the name of fighting terror, and the ends do not justify these means. The term “war crime” exists for a reason- there are some actions that are beyond even what is considered permissible in the brutality of war. Saying that the enemies’ actions are justification for our own acts of abuse is to say that we are no better than they are- to sink down to their level in a race to the bottom of depravity. When Bush & Co. were selling this catastrophe of a war to the public and congress, we were repeatedly told that Saddam was a “monster who tortures his own people.” Who is responsible for tortures committed after Saddam’s fall?
These pictures of abuse have nothing whatsoever to do with the Danish cartoons, as others have already eloquently explained (kudos alarajrogers). If you feel the need to see the danish cartoons and haven't already, do a Google search.
-- Chaostician